Discover the hilariously epic failure of a crypto-fueled libertarian cruise


Plus they are not designed as an ideal habitat for the comnunity of people living on board. They are designed to ferry aerial weapon systems across the globe to kill people and break stuff. Living conditions on board being secondary to that function.

Unlike a “libertarian paradise”, its function requires a strict adherence to a heirarchal structure enforced by law, custom and violence if necessary.


That’s a great analogy. A common theme with utopian libertarians is a total lack of understanding of the supply chains required for their lives to be comfortable. Like, hundreds of thousands of people and hundreds of links in a chain are required to get coffee on the store shelf. It took us hundreds of years of building up social systems, governments, technologies, and trade to create a world where everyone can just have coffee whenever they want. Or chocolate. Or nectarines. Or toilet paper. The notion that you can just “start over” on civilization and get something better is mind boggling hubris and ignorance.

Another common theme in tech bro libertarians is a casual disregard for the expertise of others. This is the conversation I would like to have with these fools:

“Big ship you got there, So, how many pipe fitters in your group?” “None” “How about a marine electrician?” “Uh, no” “You must have a few great diesel mechanics, though, I’m sure” “Um” “Underwater mixed gas welders? Gonna need a couple of those, probably” “A who?”

“Well, good luck then”

The world runs on the specialized expertise of others. We all benefit from that expertise because of… wait for it… community and social contracts.


You should really read the article - it’s a great read. They did not even get close to living on the open ocean - or anywhere else for that matter.


A ship of fools, but it was an awesome ship. (It isn’t the generic one above this BoingBoing article; it’s this beauty, designed by Renzo Piano.)


… or… in an alternate version, a less functional version of The Raft in Neal Stephenson’s Snow Crash:

Hiro heads north to where the Raft, a huge collection of boats containing Eurasian refugees, is approaching the American coast. The center of the Raft is L. Bob Rife’s yacht, formerly the USS Enterprise nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. Rife has been using the Raft as a mechanism to indoctrinate and infect thousands with the virus and to import it to America. Y.T. is captured and brought to Rife on the Raft, who intends to use her as a hostage, knowing her connection to Uncle Enzo. With help from the Mafia, Hiro makes it onto the raft and recovers the nam-shub of Enki, which Rife had been concealing. With help from Juanita, who had previously infiltrated the Raft, the nam-shub is read out and Rife’s control over the Raft is broken. Rife flees the Raft,


The whole “who’s going to make the ball bearings” question that sometimes gets lobbed into discussions of utopia scenarios.

How telling, how very telling, that the liber-tech-ians themselves can’t deal with their own shit.


No metaphor more apt.

Wot? (clutches pearls)

How can such ancient and time-worn practices possibly be a successful strategy today when the “DiD mY OwN rEsEaRcH” crowd places value on individuals over the group? … why, it’s as if the modus operandus of “move fast and break things” (and other disruptive-tech clichés) simply will not work in a closed system, where the feedback loop is altogether shorter and pitiless as well?


Nukes, probably?

Oh snap!
Good thing I left my iced tea in the other room or it’d be sprayed all over my keyboard right now.


Using their own money, they funded the first attempt at a single residential seastead, in the form of a floating white octagonal box 12 nautical miles off the coast of Thailand. Elwartowski and his girlfriend, Nadia Summergirl, lived there for two months in early 2018, until the Thai government discovered the seastead’s existence

Two months in that thing?

My object all sublime I shall achieve in time — To let the punishment fit the crime — The punishment fit the crime; And make each prisoner pent Unwillingly represent A source of innocent merriment!

Of innocent merriment!

These aren’t homes for the techlords, these are for the demi-rich suckers to be fleeced of big money to live like an anchorite in a shack on a stick, dressed up with CGI.


Yeah! Just like that… is the alternative.

Your observations: :heart_eyes:


Rothbart explained that in the libertarian utopia, parents will be under no obligation to feed or clothe their child, because the infant is always free to crawl out to the street and beg passers-by to take it on as a foster-child.


Man, I really want them to make some of these “Seapods” and for people to buy them, just to see exactly what kind of a disaster it would end up being.

“So this ‘new world’ you’d like to build - what would it be like?”
Exactly like the one we have now, but I can do whatever I want!”
“So how would that work?”

I glossed over that when I read the article, but no wonder Thai authorities were pissed - 12 miles! They were living firmly within the country’s borders, no doubt illegally, in what is essentially a boat (probably also illegal), while pretending the laws of Thailand didn’t apply to them because they were in the water.


I remember the L5 Society and their vision of libertarian utopias in O’Neill habitats. Good times!

Re: complicated supply chains that facilitate getting things / ditching existing (trade) systems that took decades to build on a whim to start over

See Brexit.

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I guess one could argue that The Principality of Sealand was an earlier example of residential “seasteading” of sorts but it’s hardly been a picture of peaceful utopia. The people who live there didn’t build it (it’s a decommissioned WWII-era gun platform) and in fact seized it at gunpoint from an earlier group of squatters/pirate radio broadcasters, then had to spend the next several decades trying to fend off people trying to seize it from them in the same way.

It’s a shithole place to live that apparently survives primarily on selling novelty stamps and the like. It exists today only because the government of the United Kingdom doesn’t seem to think it’s worth the trouble to evict them. And it STILL sounds like a nicer place to live than any of these libertarian sea pods.


Who wouldn’t want to live in an Azkaban isocube?


And if they would float in a stable way and survive storms and whatnot - sooner or later they’d end up clustered together in one of the ocean gyres. Like all that plastic waste.

Durring WWII, the germans deposited rescue buoys in the english channel.

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The seapods crack me up. It’s as though they based their whole concept of living on Subnautica, not realizing that magic sci-fi replicators aren’t a real thing.

Perfect if you’re trying to get to the other other place though:


As seen in Elon Musk’s attempts to reinvent transport. I’ve already posted a takedown of Hyperloop, so here’s one on the Boring Company.


In short, Musk,

a) has little understanding of the drivers of tunneling costs, b) promises reducing tunneling costs by a factor of 10, a feat that he himself has no chance to achieve, and

c) is unaware that the cost reduction he promises, relative to American construction costs, has already been achieved in a number of countries.

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